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		<title>By: Brian Bittner</title>
		<link>http://harfordrepublican.com/omalley-opandering-death-penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-2045</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Bittner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The link is to a WJZ story which has changed as the story has been updated.  The text is different, but the point is still the same.  Either because of procedural errors or (in the worst case, like this one) outright lies, cases are re-examined and re-opened all the time.  Sentences are reconsidered and many prisoners are released, except for the ones who are executed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link is to a WJZ story which has changed as the story has been updated.  The text is different, but the point is still the same.  Either because of procedural errors or (in the worst case, like this one) outright lies, cases are re-examined and re-opened all the time.  Sentences are reconsidered and many prisoners are released, except for the ones who are executed.</p>
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		<title>By: hmmmm</title>
		<link>http://harfordrepublican.com/omalley-opandering-death-penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-2044</link>
		<dc:creator>hmmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

The link to the story is not the same text as the story you posted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>The link to the story is not the same text as the story you posted.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Bittner</title>
		<link>http://harfordrepublican.com/omalley-opandering-death-penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-2037</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Bittner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(WJZ) The fallout continues after a state police ballistics expert commits suicide and his testimony in hundreds of cases is called into question. Joseph Kopera&#039;s college degree didn&#039;t exist. When challenged by a public defender about his degree, Kopera provided a University of Maryland transcript that turned out to be fake. At least two men have been put to death with the help of his testimony...

Last Thursday, Kopera committed suicide and the state police say they since learned he doesn&#039;t have the college degree he claimed he&#039;d earned. Kopera&#039;s expert testimony has played a role in many hight profile cases statewide, like that of Shawn Woodson, convicted of murdering a policeman. Kopera testified against Flint Greggory Hunt and Westley Baker; both were put to death. Now hundreds of murder and shooting cases may be challenged by the public defender because of questions about Kopera&#039;s truthfulness.

http://wjz.com/topstories/local_story_067224913.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(WJZ) The fallout continues after a state police ballistics expert commits suicide and his testimony in hundreds of cases is called into question. Joseph Kopera&#8217;s college degree didn&#8217;t exist. When challenged by a public defender about his degree, Kopera provided a University of Maryland transcript that turned out to be fake. At least two men have been put to death with the help of his testimony&#8230;</p>
<p>Last Thursday, Kopera committed suicide and the state police say they since learned he doesn&#8217;t have the college degree he claimed he&#8217;d earned. Kopera&#8217;s expert testimony has played a role in many hight profile cases statewide, like that of Shawn Woodson, convicted of murdering a policeman. Kopera testified against Flint Greggory Hunt and Westley Baker; both were put to death. Now hundreds of murder and shooting cases may be challenged by the public defender because of questions about Kopera&#8217;s truthfulness.</p>
<p><a href="http://wjz.com/topstories/local_story_067224913.html" rel="nofollow">http://wjz.com/topstories/local_story_067224913.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian Bittner</title>
		<link>http://harfordrepublican.com/omalley-opandering-death-penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-2064</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Bittner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

You are right, mockery can be fun and effective.  But to be clear, I do not advocate sing-alongs as effective criminal justice measures.

I do believe in a consistent set of legal standards.  The death penalty violates consistency and applies an irreversible punishment.  Every person executed in Maryland since 1978 or currently on death row killed a white person, even though hundreds of black people are killed in Maryland every year and the death penalty is never applied to those murders.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/harford/bal-ha.capital04mar04,0,2591817.story?coll=bal-local-harford</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>You are right, mockery can be fun and effective.  But to be clear, I do not advocate sing-alongs as effective criminal justice measures.</p>
<p>I do believe in a consistent set of legal standards.  The death penalty violates consistency and applies an irreversible punishment.  Every person executed in Maryland since 1978 or currently on death row killed a white person, even though hundreds of black people are killed in Maryland every year and the death penalty is never applied to those murders.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/harford/bal-ha.capital04mar04,0,2591817.story?coll=bal-local-harford" rel="nofollow">http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/harford/bal-ha.capital04mar04,0,2591817.story?coll=bal-local-harford</a></p>
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		<title>By: independent educator</title>
		<link>http://harfordrepublican.com/omalley-opandering-death-penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-2063</link>
		<dc:creator>independent educator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 01:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, just to clarify my definition of &quot; cold blooded murder&quot;: Enacting a plan to take a life with rational forethought without any mitigating factors such as mental illness or mental incapacity.
 Also, Brian, to clarify my take on the execution of Jesus: It seems to be apt commentary on capital punishment as He was a victim of it&#039;s practice by both the civil and religious government of His time AND conversely He chose not to  Himself apply the death penalty to those who chose  to murder Him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, just to clarify my definition of &#8221; cold blooded murder&#8221;: Enacting a plan to take a life with rational forethought without any mitigating factors such as mental illness or mental incapacity.<br />
 Also, Brian, to clarify my take on the execution of Jesus: It seems to be apt commentary on capital punishment as He was a victim of it&#8217;s practice by both the civil and religious government of His time AND conversely He chose not to  Himself apply the death penalty to those who chose  to murder Him.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 04:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

Mocking the most extreme point of view may not help, but it can be fun while illustrating  logical consequences of various courses of action.
Maybe I am misunderstanding what you&#039;re saying, but it sounds like you do not think everyone should be held to the same consistent set of standards, rules, and laws. This is not an effective way to govern any group of people regardless of size. A (reasonably) orderly society requires that individuals play by basically the same rules. Even small children quickly learn how to manipulate weak teachers, parents, etc. who apply rules and warnings  inconsistently.
I agree with your assertion that the death penalty is not a deterrent to other criminals the way it is currently being administered. Perhaps if we executed these murderers closer to the time they commited the crime ( as opposed to 20-30 years later) this could be different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>Mocking the most extreme point of view may not help, but it can be fun while illustrating  logical consequences of various courses of action.<br />
Maybe I am misunderstanding what you&#8217;re saying, but it sounds like you do not think everyone should be held to the same consistent set of standards, rules, and laws. This is not an effective way to govern any group of people regardless of size. A (reasonably) orderly society requires that individuals play by basically the same rules. Even small children quickly learn how to manipulate weak teachers, parents, etc. who apply rules and warnings  inconsistently.<br />
I agree with your assertion that the death penalty is not a deterrent to other criminals the way it is currently being administered. Perhaps if we executed these murderers closer to the time they commited the crime ( as opposed to 20-30 years later) this could be different.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Bittner</title>
		<link>http://harfordrepublican.com/omalley-opandering-death-penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-2061</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Bittner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

I completely agree with your analysis of the liberal frame of mind.  I&#039;m not a liberal, nor am I a conservative.  I don&#039;t think we&#039;ll ever solve a lot of these problems as long as there are only two acceptable points of view available.  They both have their problems and we have to find a middle ground.  Mocking the most extreme point of view doesn&#039;t help.

I also agree with you that there are some people who do evil things and are beyond rehabilition.  But your &quot;vermin walking the streets&quot; imagery doesn&#039;t accurately represent the  problems with state executions.  There are 6 people on Maryland&#039;s death row right now, not some swarm of evil-doers.  In the last twenty years, the state of Maryland has determined that six people are beyond rehabilition.  If those trials were fair and the decison was correct, I&#039;m fine with that.  Those people can stay in jail forever if rehabilitation has been tried and failed.  Executing them will not deter future murders and will not keep the streets safe from six people who are never leaving prison again.

And while I appreciate the death of responsibility you take for your actions, it&#039;s not so easy for everybody.  While you would want punishment for something you did &quot;for whatever reason&quot;, including mental illness, I&#039;m going to go out on a limb and say that you are not mentally ill, and if you are, you are under some sort of treatment.  Many of the people we punish every day are mentally ill and have not been treated and shouldn&#039;t be expected to take the same responsibility you do for their actions.  All I&#039;m saying is that if a person cannot be rehabilitated, we ought to have mercy on them before we decide to stoop to their level and kill them.  We can revisit the strain this is putting on the system when it takes more than two hands to count them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>I completely agree with your analysis of the liberal frame of mind.  I&#8217;m not a liberal, nor am I a conservative.  I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ll ever solve a lot of these problems as long as there are only two acceptable points of view available.  They both have their problems and we have to find a middle ground.  Mocking the most extreme point of view doesn&#8217;t help.</p>
<p>I also agree with you that there are some people who do evil things and are beyond rehabilition.  But your &#8220;vermin walking the streets&#8221; imagery doesn&#8217;t accurately represent the  problems with state executions.  There are 6 people on Maryland&#8217;s death row right now, not some swarm of evil-doers.  In the last twenty years, the state of Maryland has determined that six people are beyond rehabilition.  If those trials were fair and the decison was correct, I&#8217;m fine with that.  Those people can stay in jail forever if rehabilitation has been tried and failed.  Executing them will not deter future murders and will not keep the streets safe from six people who are never leaving prison again.</p>
<p>And while I appreciate the death of responsibility you take for your actions, it&#8217;s not so easy for everybody.  While you would want punishment for something you did &#8220;for whatever reason&#8221;, including mental illness, I&#8217;m going to go out on a limb and say that you are not mentally ill, and if you are, you are under some sort of treatment.  Many of the people we punish every day are mentally ill and have not been treated and shouldn&#8217;t be expected to take the same responsibility you do for their actions.  All I&#8217;m saying is that if a person cannot be rehabilitated, we ought to have mercy on them before we decide to stoop to their level and kill them.  We can revisit the strain this is putting on the system when it takes more than two hands to count them.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Bittner</title>
		<link>http://harfordrepublican.com/omalley-opandering-death-penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-2060</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Bittner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this discussion of Jesus&#039;s execution shows that while the Bible may be a good resource for personal living, it is a poor guide for public policy.  It it written in metaphors and symbolism, the characters are archetypes and exaggerations, and the stories are not consistent.  The part where God said &quot;Thou shall not kill&quot; does not have an asterisk.  A million immoral things happen every day but God does not stop them because we have free will to do what we please.  This doesn&#039;t mean he has invited us to re-write his rules, it means we try our best to fulfill them and we take our judgement from him when we go.  You can debate God on all the executions you supported; I will tell him that I tried my best to stop them when I could.  Like April 16th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this discussion of Jesus&#8217;s execution shows that while the Bible may be a good resource for personal living, it is a poor guide for public policy.  It it written in metaphors and symbolism, the characters are archetypes and exaggerations, and the stories are not consistent.  The part where God said &#8220;Thou shall not kill&#8221; does not have an asterisk.  A million immoral things happen every day but God does not stop them because we have free will to do what we please.  This doesn&#8217;t mean he has invited us to re-write his rules, it means we try our best to fulfill them and we take our judgement from him when we go.  You can debate God on all the executions you supported; I will tell him that I tried my best to stop them when I could.  Like April 16th.</p>
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		<title>By: GOPerative</title>
		<link>http://harfordrepublican.com/omalley-opandering-death-penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-2059</link>
		<dc:creator>GOPerative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 04:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>indy ed,
One more verse, Provers 8:15 &quot;By me kings reign, and rulers decree what is just.&quot;  So a literal translation would also apply to ruthless regimes.  It all has a purpose somehow.  Wow, we have become a mini-seminary here.  The problem is these issues do touch the religion third rail.  If the Roman&#039;s and Jews did not have the death penalty we all would be in a little trouble wouldn&#039;t we?  At least as far as the whole Savior thing goes.  Wait a minute, they just found Jesus&#039;s bone box so we are already in trouble.  (I always look forward to the Easter season denial of Christ&#039;s existence/importance)

Using the Jesus situation, no one is advocating that was just and no one is trying to convince anyone that that was a legitimate application of the law.  Bribery was used several times.  However, we have a system that is protected from mob rule.  9 reasonable individuals have to make the same decision or no one dies.  I trust the system.  I would trust it more with a DNA requirement.  DNA is being used more and more now to get people off death row and I think it should be applied retroactively to everyone on death row.  If the DNA is there or their is a confession or multiple witnesses then the law should be applied.

Thanks for your writing and your research.  This site works because of people like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>indy ed,<br />
One more verse, Provers 8:15 &#8220;By me kings reign, and rulers decree what is just.&#8221;  So a literal translation would also apply to ruthless regimes.  It all has a purpose somehow.  Wow, we have become a mini-seminary here.  The problem is these issues do touch the religion third rail.  If the Roman&#8217;s and Jews did not have the death penalty we all would be in a little trouble wouldn&#8217;t we?  At least as far as the whole Savior thing goes.  Wait a minute, they just found Jesus&#8217;s bone box so we are already in trouble.  (I always look forward to the Easter season denial of Christ&#8217;s existence/importance)</p>
<p>Using the Jesus situation, no one is advocating that was just and no one is trying to convince anyone that that was a legitimate application of the law.  Bribery was used several times.  However, we have a system that is protected from mob rule.  9 reasonable individuals have to make the same decision or no one dies.  I trust the system.  I would trust it more with a DNA requirement.  DNA is being used more and more now to get people off death row and I think it should be applied retroactively to everyone on death row.  If the DNA is there or their is a confession or multiple witnesses then the law should be applied.</p>
<p>Thanks for your writing and your research.  This site works because of people like you.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 03:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bittner,
I have to take issue with your comment that &quot; the type of punishment you advocate is making them more, not less, violent&quot;. Simply put, dead criminals are not violent.  I guess if we did things your way, we would all sit around the campfire and sing kum-ba-ya with cop killer Mumia Abu Jamal in hopes that he would be rehabilitated. If I fail to exercise self -control (for whatever reason-mental illness, anger...) and commit murder, I would expect the government to punish me, not try to rehabilitate me.
Here is the problem with liberals  (and I don&#039;t mean this personally, I&#039;m sure you&#039;re a great guy and fun to drink beer with)- you fail to acknowledge evil in this world - liberals  always have some excuse for people&#039;s behavior. If public schools are a disaster, it&#039;s because they were underfunded. If someone rapes and kills, they are just victims of society because there weren&#039;t enough social programs to help them. If terrorists hijack civilian aircraft and target and kill thousands of innocent civilians, then it&#039;s our government&#039;s fault because we offended them.  There is no right or wrong, no personal responsiblilty.
Brian, the fact is, there are very bad people in this world who wish to do harm to others and will do so at every available opportunity. Those who would deprive others of their constitutional right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness should be removed from society like a doctor attempts to remove cancer from a patient. We as a society cannot afford to allow these vermin to walk the streets preying on the innocent while liberals offer to tax us out of the problem by creating more social programs and redistributing wealth.

Indy Ed.,

I am not a theologian, but as I read the scriptures, my understanding is that civil governments are set up to administer justice- in short, to punish the wicked and protect the innocent.  That seems to be the most basic function of government. Therefore, if an individual is found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, by a jury of his peers, of cold-blooded murder- then that civil government has a duty to remove (exterminate) that murderer from society. Giving someone a fair trial and ample opportunity for appeal, and sentencing that person to death afterwards is not &quot;cold blooded murder&quot; as you stated, it is merely the administration of justice, necessary for the preservation of individual rights.  Biblical instructions for civil government are not always the same as instructions for individuals. The Bible instructs individuals not to kill, etc. - however, governments legitimately conduct wars, make and enforce laws, seize property, issue judgments and carry out  those judgments with sentences- all things we as individuals are not permitted to do. Your post makes no differentiation from individuals and civil governments.

Having said all that, I am not naive enough to think that all prosecutors, police, government agents, etc.. have the purest of motives at all times. There are many systemic problems that need to be addressed, but that doesn&#039;t mean we should do away with the death penalty completely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bittner,<br />
I have to take issue with your comment that &#8221; the type of punishment you advocate is making them more, not less, violent&#8221;. Simply put, dead criminals are not violent.  I guess if we did things your way, we would all sit around the campfire and sing kum-ba-ya with cop killer Mumia Abu Jamal in hopes that he would be rehabilitated. If I fail to exercise self -control (for whatever reason-mental illness, anger&#8230;) and commit murder, I would expect the government to punish me, not try to rehabilitate me.<br />
Here is the problem with liberals  (and I don&#8217;t mean this personally, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re a great guy and fun to drink beer with)- you fail to acknowledge evil in this world &#8211; liberals  always have some excuse for people&#8217;s behavior. If public schools are a disaster, it&#8217;s because they were underfunded. If someone rapes and kills, they are just victims of society because there weren&#8217;t enough social programs to help them. If terrorists hijack civilian aircraft and target and kill thousands of innocent civilians, then it&#8217;s our government&#8217;s fault because we offended them.  There is no right or wrong, no personal responsiblilty.<br />
Brian, the fact is, there are very bad people in this world who wish to do harm to others and will do so at every available opportunity. Those who would deprive others of their constitutional right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness should be removed from society like a doctor attempts to remove cancer from a patient. We as a society cannot afford to allow these vermin to walk the streets preying on the innocent while liberals offer to tax us out of the problem by creating more social programs and redistributing wealth.</p>
<p>Indy Ed.,</p>
<p>I am not a theologian, but as I read the scriptures, my understanding is that civil governments are set up to administer justice- in short, to punish the wicked and protect the innocent.  That seems to be the most basic function of government. Therefore, if an individual is found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, by a jury of his peers, of cold-blooded murder- then that civil government has a duty to remove (exterminate) that murderer from society. Giving someone a fair trial and ample opportunity for appeal, and sentencing that person to death afterwards is not &#8220;cold blooded murder&#8221; as you stated, it is merely the administration of justice, necessary for the preservation of individual rights.  Biblical instructions for civil government are not always the same as instructions for individuals. The Bible instructs individuals not to kill, etc. &#8211; however, governments legitimately conduct wars, make and enforce laws, seize property, issue judgments and carry out  those judgments with sentences- all things we as individuals are not permitted to do. Your post makes no differentiation from individuals and civil governments.</p>
<p>Having said all that, I am not naive enough to think that all prosecutors, police, government agents, etc.. have the purest of motives at all times. There are many systemic problems that need to be addressed, but that doesn&#8217;t mean we should do away with the death penalty completely.</p>
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